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[Dr.Silviu]

Un articol interesant despre catch-cans:



Why Use a Catch Can?
An excellent article on the benefits of running a catch canfrom redline-motorworks.

How does an oil catch can work and why is it beneficial?
Last Updated: 7/28/2010
There is a large debate as to whether or not oil catch cans are worth the money or not. This article is dedicated to providing a very detailed explanation showing why a catch can is highly recommended in direct injection engine applications.

First, let's go over what is currently happening in your engine without a catch can installed. All internal combustion engines that run off gasoline are 4 stroke engines. This means that the piston has to go up and down a total of 4 times to complete a cycle. The piston first goes down with the intake valves open creating a vacuum. This draws in the cool dense air for combustion. At the same time, fuel is injected into the cylinder. The intake valves close and then the piston rises up towards the top of the cylinder. This compression creates an immense build-up of pressure in the cylinder. The only things containing this high pressure are the cylinder itself, the piston and the piston rings that seat against the walls of the cylinder. The intake and exhaust valves are obviously closed as well. The pressure is so high that a very small amount of the air escapes around the piston and piston rings into the crankcase. This is called blow-by. The amount of blow-by increases as the engine RPMs rise. Also, an engine with more cylinders will have more blow-by. Obviously not all of the air escapes or else combustion wouldn't take place. A diagram of the 4-stroke cycle can be seen below. Only the first 2 steps are relevant in regards to the catch can.

(IMG:https://www.redline-motorworks.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/4-stroke-process.jpg)

Inside the crankcase, you have the crank which is turning in the oil pan which is full of oil. This keeps it properly lubricated. PCV or positive crankcase ventilation is necessary to ensure there isn't a build up of pressure in the crankcase. This would cause the crankcase to possibly crack under the pressure and create a huge mess of oil on the street. So the PCV system removes the pressure from the crankcase and reverts it back through the intake tract via crank case vents. This pressure isn't made up of 100% air. It will also contain a very small amount of oil as well since there is so much in the oil pan at a high temperature. This air and oil mixture is then entered somewhere after the intake system, passes through the intercooler (if you car is turbo or supercharged) and then re-enters the combustion chamber (cylinder) through your intake valves to be re-burned. The oil will actually coat everything on its way back to the combustion chamber. It will develop in the intercooler, boost hoses, intake manifold and intake valves. Just on the other side of these valves is where the combustion is taking place where the temperatures are extremely high. This is what actually causes the oil to solidify on the valves. With the oil passing through the intercooler, it can actually coat the cooling fins which will hinder the intercooler's ability to cool the air therefore lowering the efficiency.

The caking on intake valves is only a problem with direct injection engines. For all other engines that use port injection, the gas is introduced before the combustion chamber which means it flows over the intake valves and enter the combustion chamber premixed with the air. This action of the fuel flowing over the intake valves actually cleans the valves from any oil that make already be on there. The oil never has the chance to cake on the valves in port injection engines.

Having oil caked onto your intake valves can cause the following symptoms:
Knocking
Pre-detonation
Loss in power
Loss in fuel economy
Here is an image of carbon build-up on valves. Yes, it's nasty.

(IMG:https://www.redline-motorworks.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/caked-intake-valves.jpg)

This is mainly due to the fact that the air that comes through your intake system and goes into the combustion chamber won't just be air. It will contain some oil particles which cause the combustion process to be slightly less efficient.

You might ask why do car manufacturers revert this crankcase pressure back into the intake tract? Well, for starters there isn't anywhere safe to revert it to and you can't expel it into the atmosphere because it's not environmentally friendly and is considered to not be street legal.

Another question that arises is why isn't a catch can included from the factory? Well it's pretty simple actually. Most people don't even change their oil (scary but true) so will they think to empty the catch can regularly? The answer is obviously and unfortunately, no.

An oil catch can does just that. It catches or prevents the oil from re-entering the intake tract. A catch can is placed right after the PCV and before the intercooler. This means that a more pure (sometimes 100% pure) air mixture will go through the intercooler and intake valves. A more pure air mixture entering the intake valves means no caking and none of the symptoms listed above.

An oil catch can typically uses steel wool or a baffle system that removes the oil from the air-oil mixture. Higher quality cans use the baffle systems since it is less messy and better at separating the mixture. The oil falls to the bottom of the can where it is stored until the can is emptied.

An oil catch can doesn't add any power or make any cool noises so it is often overlooked when modifying vehicles. However, a catch can will ensure you are always running the most power possible by having a cleaner intake tract free of oil.

[adyp2003]

Din cate am citit, nu s-a postat pana acum...
--> Ultima revizie de Diverter Valve OEM este 06H 145 710 D, in care diafragma a fost "inlocuita" cu un piston.

Cea veche (stanga) versus cea noua (dreapta):
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[grecutzu2005]

si cam care ar fi diferenta intre una si alta? inafara de diafragma aia?
tot acelasi lucru il face nu?

[adyp2003]

Se zvoneste ca noul model e mai durabil si nu pica precum puiul de gaina.
De confirmat nu as putea sa fac acest lucru, intrucat nu am testat pe pielea mea.

[adyp2003]

Mi-am schimbat si eu cam follower-ul astazi, la 29.000 km.
La cum arata pentru o masina stock, va deveni consumabil pe lista mea, la fiecare 30.000 km sa il innnoiesc.

Cel nou, impachetat frumos, cu tot cu data de expirare pe eticheta: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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[adyp2003]

Si cel vechi, cu ochii vineti, desi nu sunt un sofer repezit:
(IMG:http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/224/img4595u.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7739/img4605a.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5530/img4610z.th.jpg)
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[adyp2003]

Povestea Silviu mai sus de catch cans si modul in care putem preveni depunerea carbonului pe supapele de admisie.

Totusi, daca am comis-o deja si nu am instalalat la timp un catch can/tank, aveti idee cum putem curata mizeria asta?
Am inteles ca o modalitate ar fi sa desfaci motorul si sa il cureti, dar am vazut pe net niste baieti care spray-aza un produs numit Seafoam in galeria de admisie si apoi iese un fum alb (pe evacuare) care ar fi dovada ca aveai carbon acumulat pe acolo.



M-am uitat la cateva filmulete si recenzii si am aflat ca dupa ce folosesti Seafoam trebuie sa faci schimbul de ulei in foarte scump timp (vreo 250 de mile ziceau unii, daca nu imediat), si mai rau, altii spuneau ca ar trebui sa schimbi si bujiile, ca s-ar putea sa se acumuleze si pe ele mizeria desprinsa de catre Seafoam, bla, bla...

Ati folosit vreun produs similar? Il recomandati?
Sau mai bine sa ramanem la metoda clasicasi sigura: facut zdrente motorul, curatat si apoi instalat catch can?

[Dr.Silviu]

Nici o substanta din lume nu va curata ce s-a depus pe valve... Mai ales fara sa desfaci motorul...
Cea mai buna metoda, este cea mecanica (desfacut motor si razuit de pe valve)